In a new conversation for Interview magazine, the 55-year-old Brad Pitt and 81-year-old Anthony Hopkins openly discussed their mutual struggles with alcohol.

They both copped to using alcohol as an escape from personal struggles. Pitt said: “Well, I just saw it as a disservice to myself, as an escape,” while Hopkins noted: “It was necessary.”

Pitt concurred: “To some degree, yes.”

Hopkins, who has been sober for 45 years now, called his addiction a “great blessing” that made him face up to his mistakes and learn to forgive himself.

Pitt, who has previously said that he went to Alcoholics Anonymous after he and Angelina Jolie split, addressed the “cancel culture” we’re in currently, where mistakes, not the choices made after the mistakes, are focused on.

“I think we’re living in a time where we’re extremely judgmental and quick to treat people as disposable. We’ve always placed great importance on the mistake,” Pitt explained. “But the next move, what you do after the mistake, is what really defines a person. We’re all going to make mistakes. But what is that next step? We don’t, as a culture, seem to stick around to see what that person’s next step is. And that’s the part I find so much more invigorating and interesting.”

Pitt said that he’d learned to forgive himself for his own mistakes.

“I’m realizing, as a real act of forgiveness for myself for all the choices that I’ve made that I’m not proud of, that I value those missteps, because they led to some wisdom, which led to something else,” he shared. “You can’t have one without the other. I see it as something I’m just now getting my arms around at this time in my life. But I certainly don’t feel like I can take credit for any of it.”